Domain Pushing

[-JJ-]

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with ICANN. Well actually I do because it is an ICANN law. Why would registering a domain name include a penalty to transfer it over to another registrar? When I registered a domain name via some no name registrar It told me I had to wait 60 days. I find this ridiculous. Anyone know the reason why this happens?

-JJ-

[mystwoman]

Look in the charter, it's all explained there.
have you visited their website and its archives?

[-JJ-]

Look in the charter, it's all explained there.
have you visited their website and its archives?

Yeah I even contacted there customer service. They told me this is an "ICANN" Law. They don't allow transfers until after 60 days. This was absurb because I had to hold on to the domain for 60 days until I could give it to the person who bought it.

This was FourStarsCasino by the way.

-JJ-

[mystwoman]

you have to read the rules from very first ICANN meetings. The set up the rules in stone in committee with government underscoring. It was supposed to be independent but..

[Talar]

Yeah I even contacted there customer service. They told me this is an "ICANN" Law. They don't allow transfers until after 60 days. This was absurb because I had to hold on to the domain for 60 days until I could give it to the person who bought it.

This was FourStarsCasino by the way.

-JJ-

Not to be critical... we're all here to learn .. but this has been an ICANN rule (they are not a law making body) for along time now.

Like poker, it's wise to know the rules before putting money on the table.

Best regards
Talar

[sjaguar13]

You should be able to push to domain to the owner's account, you just can't transfer to another registrar. When I am making a quick sale, I either buy it from the registrar the owner wants it in, or I make a new account at whatever registrar I want and then give the owner the username and password to that account.

[Talar]

I posted earlier today and then came back and re-read, and now I'm wondering if I'm understanding fully.

One can 'register' (buy) a domain name in seconds with any number of registrars. One can then transfer (sell) that registration immediately. There _are_ el cheapo registrars that give people problems, but decent ones (like Godaddy.com as one example) don't put road blocks in the way. A potential buyer just opens a free account with Godaddy and you, as the registrant assigns (pushes) the rights to that domain to them.

the original thing we were talking about was the rule that a registrar has to hold a name for 60 days. So far as I know that has been a rule for ages, but it has nothing to do with 'buying and selling' (registering and transferring) domains by individuals or businesses. If you are the registrant of a domain you have the rights to it, regardless who the registrar (basically licensed database updaters) holds the domain in their database.

Or ... am I the confused one?

[sjaguar13]

the original thing we were talking about was the rule that a registrar has to hold a name for 60 days. So far as I know that has been a rule for ages, but it has nothing to do with 'buying and selling' (registering and transferring) domains by individuals or businesses. If you are the registrant of a domain you have the rights to it, regardless who the registrar (basically licensed database updaters) holds the domain in their database.

Just to make this clear, pushing is when the domain changes accounts, but still with the SAME registrar.

Transfering is when the domain changes registrars completely.

Now for your question, it might have something to do with buy and selling. If I registered a domain at Fabulous, you cannot get an account unless you have 100 domains or more. You sign up, they verify you have 100 domains, then they give you your account. It can take awhile before you actually get it. If you do not have 100 domains or don't want to wait, I cannot just push the domain to you, if you buy it from me. I would have to transfer the domain to another registrar. More than likely, the domain will be transfered to my account at another registrar and then pushed to your account.

Even though you actually own it, there have been some problems where registrars do not want to give up the domain even after the 60 days. Some of the better known registrar, Namecheap for example, have ways to get the domain for you, if you have been taken by a registrar not playing fair.

[-JJ-]

Not to be critical... we're all here to learn .. but this has been an ICANN rule (they are not a law making body) for along time now.

Like poker, it's wise to know the rules before putting money on the table.

Best regards
Talar

It must be an ICANN rule. Not sure why this particular registrar did this though.

As for Poker. :) I know a lot about poker as I play a lot.

-JJ-

[Talar]

Just to make this clear, pushing is when the domain changes accounts, but still with the SAME registrar.

Transfering is when the domain changes registrars completely.

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Even though you actually own it, there have been some problems where registrars do not want to give up the domain even after the 60 days. Some of the better known registrar, Namecheap for example, have ways to get the domain for you, if you have been taken by a registrar not playing fair.

Interesting. Do you have some reference where that "pushing" term is defined with authority?

Also, it is unclear to me how anyone 'owns' a domain name. When one registers a domain with a registrar, one has the exclusive use of that name for the length of the paid for registration period. It might be a lot more accurate to say one 'leases' a domain name. because no individual ever 'owns' one .. if you did, you wouldn't have to pay registration fees by the year ... how am I missing the point here?

The original question involved (using your term) 'pushing' a domain to a new registrant ('owner") ... this, under ICANN rules is legal, and a registrar who does not let you do this is, as you said, 'not playing fair'. It's a vilolation of their terms of service. You should complain here:

http://reports.internic.net/cgi/registrars/problem-report.cgi

There is a lot about the rules regarding registration and registrars on the Internic site:

http://www.internic.net/faqs/domain-names.html

Much of what a lot of people talk about on these domain trading forums just ain't exactly so.

Best regards

[sjaguar13]

Interesting. Do you have some reference where that "pushing" term is defined with authority?

Log into any registrar.

[Talar]

Log into any registrar.

Well perhaps not _any_ registrar ... here's the quote from Goddy (one of the very largest)

QUESTION:


How can I sell my domain name registered with GoDaddy.com?


ANSWER:


Any domain name you have registered with GoDaddy.com can be sold or transferred to any party you wish. There is no charge for this process. The party who is receiving the domain registration must set up an account with GoDaddy.com.

Notice they call it 'selling' or 'tr5ansferring' and transferring is the term ICANN uses in my earlier refernce .. just wondering where 'pushing' came from becuase it's not a completely common term nor an offical term.


Best regards

[sjaguar13]

That's the FAQ. They try to explain what it means. If you log into GoDaddy and go to "Transfer a Domain" it means to bring a domain into GoDaddy from some other registrar. They actually call pushing a domain "change account".

Pushing is a common term to anyone who is in the domain bussiness. If you just register a domain every once and a while, you probably aren't familar with it. I believe it came from eNom, the largest reseller registrar. If you don't believe me, email them.

[mystwoman]

i mostly buy but this is good info to have because managing my growing portfolio neds parking space. :)

But why not slap it on your host account, or subdomain park it on one of your urls. what is the benefit of pushing it? Unless they give you a free renewal for one year?