Scammer on DomainForums.com Warning.

[nate_king1]

Warning there is a scammer who is looking to acquire domains, however wants you to pay for appraisal fees. Watch out. XXXXX@bonbon.net

Hello,
Are you still interested in selling your domain name? I saw it listed
for sale.

Did you get offers from other people?

I need to know your desired price. Please don't ask to make an offer.
Just email the desired price.

I run a software company. We develop client-server systems and
databases in Oracle for a local company. Buying and selling domain names is
not my main business. Just another way to invest money and make
additional income.

Best regards,

Wayne Schaefer, Ph.D.
President
BON (Bone Network Solutions)

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The next e-mail I new he was bogus......



400 USD. Ok.

Do you sell a developed site or domain only? I prefer domain names.

Do you have an independent valuation from industry experts (appraisal)?
I
need an appraisal certificate for domain priced in your range. I
consider
your name as an investment. In other words I'm going to sell your name
later
and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the
future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market
value
of your domain.

Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal
company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate
appraisals.
I will only accept appraisals from independent appraisal companies I
know
and trust.

To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal
companies
in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/43068.htm

Juck check this posting.

If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price
accordingly.

After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.PayPal.com, www.escrow.com, check or
wire?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.

[Gayble]

Thanks for the warning man! :)

[nate_king1]

Yea basically this scam is get the seller of the domain to pay for the appraisal fee, which he is basically an affiliate of/or in affiliations with.

[Varlin]

He might be a scammer... yet I don't see any affiliate tracking code.

[jon]

He might be a scammer... yet I don't see any affiliate tracking code.
Perhaps he owns the appraisal company.

Thanks for the warning.

[nupixel]

Whoa. :S Thanks for the warning.

[syaher]

Hello,

What is the price you can accept for your domain?

Our company develops client-server systems in Delphi and MS SQL Server. We work as contractors of a big corporation. So domain names for us is just a part of investing.

If you offer more domains for sale with good reselling potential please email us your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Edward Elsker
CEO
DBN Technologies

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10,000 NOK. Ok.

Do you sell the name only without web site? I'm interested in the name so web site is not so important.

Do you have an appraisal certificate for your domain name?

Domain name is an investment for me. In other words I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value of your domain.

Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. I will only accept appraisals from independent sources I trust.
To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/294763.htm

Just check this posting.

If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or wire?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.

and next

I need a proof that our price is fair. I hope you
understand the importance of this question.

Usually, people who are selling names or web sites, provide buyers with
appraisals. This is a common practice and I'm not going to change this rule
because it's the best way to protect an investment.

I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. So I
cannot accept appraisal from each and every site. I will only accept
appraisals from independent appraisal companies I know and trust.

Reading responses from experienced sellers I was impressed by one reply:
"Many Internet users are not smart enough and popular domain brokers are
using this fact to make money. They offer them cheap appraisal services. But
if their customers would have something in their heads they'd understand
experts could not make a professional research for $15-$20. These appraisals
are made by machines. Easy money for such appraisers as
http://www.Afternic.com and several other major brokers that offer cheap
auto-generated appraisals. In my eyes, all services under $60-$65 are not
manual and the results are generated by special scripts. I don't trust
auto-generated appraisals."

The same is true for GoDaddy and SEDO. Their services are not manual. They
are just collecting money using their well-known names.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.

Please tell is this also SCAMMERS

built together to fight scammer

TQ
:)

[expandonline]

Hello,

What is the price you can accept for your domain?

Our company develops client-server systems in Delphi and MS SQL Server. We work as contractors of a big corporation. So domain names for us is just a part of investing.

If you offer more domains for sale with good reselling potential please email us your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Edward Elsker
CEO
DBN Technologies


I got this same message and followup messages this week from Elsker and I offered to sell for 15,000 USD - he wants me to get an appraisal from his "trusted source".

At first his link was broken, redirecting me to insider.com (the link works now).

So, I did some research on his link through archive.org waybackmachine and found many archive pages which have pretty much identical conversations but with different actors, see for yourself http://web.archive.org/web/*sr_41nr_10/http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/*.
Also his emails originate from a dialup connection in russia.

Does anyone ever used securenamesale? Why are they hiding behind domainsbyproxy in their whois data.

In my opinion this is going to be a SCAM

[madsaki]

I just got this email the other day:

Hello,

What is the price you can accept for your domain?

Our company develops client-server systems in Delphi and MS SQL Server. We work as contractors of a big corporation. So domain names for us is just a part of investing.

If you offer more domains for sale with good reselling potential please email us your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

Patrick Elsker
CEO
DBT Technologies

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[Get-Acom]

this guy has been around for a while.

he always refers 'you" to this site (ourplace.com/Archive/294763.htm)

he does this at all the forums.

and he has got away with it for A LONG TIME.
YEARS!
so why hasn't ANY of the forum"S" united it's users and done something about it?

sic dnoa.org on him!
hahahhaha

[domainsales]

I was just curious, has anyone ever actually completed a transaction with this guy? Or even presented him with a value from an appraisal? Maybe it's possible that this guy is legit, and everyone just jumps the gun on him. Just a thought, someone please let me know if you have some hard evidence that he is indeed a scammer, because he recently contacted me with a similar e-mail. Thanks!

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Contact me for a list of quality domains,

I sell my domains at least 25-35% below their appraised value, making it easy for you to capitalize on your investment.

[Get-Acom]

i have read in various forums that some have actually piad for appraisals and that he would say he doesn't trust that one, needs to be from particular sites.

must either be a affiliate thing or he owns the sites.

regardless, some have fallen for it, but i have not read that he ever bought a domain from a LIVE person that could be reached.

[domainsales]

So, I paid for my appraisal, which is ok, because I probably needed one anyway, but here's this guys catch:

"Now I've got the results. My results are close to the results from your
appraiser so I have to accept them. To be honest I expected a lower
estimation.

Anyway, I see from different independent sources including yours that your
name has a good potential and offer you the following:

I set the starting price based on our appraisals. Then I find a buyer and
pay you the appraised value - 15% and earn the difference. I wrote about
reselling in my first email.

15% discount of the appraised value is important for me to be sure in
profit.

I also don't claim exclusive rights to sell your domain. You can try to sell
your domains too.

I've already bought opt-in lists from
http://www.1-bulk-email-mailing-address-list.com site to promote your
domains.

I invested about $250 in these lists. Unfortunately, I cannot list your
names with brokers and auctions because I'm not the owner. You can list
your names with brokers. I think www.Amazon.com and www.eBay.com are
good sites to start with.

May I use your appraisal in my promotional emails?

Deal ?

P.S.
If you have other names for sale, I can try to find buyers for all of them."



So... I guess I'll see if he actually does find a buyer for my domain. I doubt he will though, seeing as how I offered him the domain at half of the price recommended in the appraisal, and he said now. Doesn't seem very confident in his reselling ability, if he is actually even going to attempt to sell it at all. I'll keep you all posted on the results.

My recommendation, stay away from this guy. And if someone could find out if he actually is the CEO of DBT Technologies that would be great, because if he's not, I'm considering opening a fraud complaint with the FBI just to try and shut this guy down.

One more question, I'm beginning to wonder where this guy gets his information from. If you've been contacted by this guy, where did you buy your domain from? Maybe the domain registrar is selling information. Just a thought.

[marc meyer]

Hello,
I`m new hear and I found this forum cause I`m investigating the case `Patrick Elsker`which means LOVE in scandinavian language.
He contacted me exactly the way I read all the time in this thread.

His Emailadress ended superelsker.com actually belonging to a norwegian company called webhuset.no -- nothing about soundso technologies.

He does not answer questions to get into making a deal , he`s only intersted in appraisals.
How is it possible to use a Emailadress from a solid company , you could find the homeadress in Bergen under united domains e.g.Is there a way to trace it back top the person?
Today I`ve been sending an Email to registry@webhuset.no asking how to get in contact with Patrick Elsker, no answer yet.
Any more Ideas??

[marc meyer]

forgot one thing: I had my offered Domains since 3 days at sedo.de when I got his Email.

[domain_monito]

I too got it. Great to see this warning.

[Get-Acom]

last one i got he was....
195.34.34.229 johansen@operaen.com
Robert Johansen Ph.D.
CEO
Opera Engineering

I raised alot fo hell by tracing the ip and domain and emailing complaints to every possible contact.

once he was even...
D. Cheney VP
TRS Engineering

i haven't gotten any contact from this guy in about a year.

[mrbgn500]

I got this myself for www.GITLO.com. Very odd and then I did some research and found out he was a con!
Daryl

[guadalpin]

I had the same thing happen this morning. I added a domain to sedo.com (www.a-place-in-the-sun.us) and got basically the same email.. just names have been changed. I then asked them to make an offer and got the response below.... Weird. This guy was using the name John Mykmann from Mykmann Consulting, email info@mykmann.com . I am really glad I checked this forum first!!

The 2nd email went as follows;

How about 6,000 USD?

Do you sell the name only without web site? I'm interested in the name so web site is not so important.

Do you have an appraisal certificate for your domain name?

Domain name is an investment for me. In other words I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market value of your domain.

Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals. I will only accept appraisals from independent sources I trust. To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum
http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/295713.htm

Just check this posting.

If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly. I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or wire?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.

[DSwissK]

If that may help someone not getting caught by this guy... Here is our mail communication up to today.

Hi,

No, I just want to be fair and to be treated fairly too. Fact is I spent money you didn't. My fairness suggestion : you pay me the appraisal and I promise you you'll have exclusivity for 1 year to buy this domain at the price of the buyer - 15%.

Deal?

Regards.

John Smith

-----Original Message-----
De : Info [mailto:info@mykmann.com]
Envoyé : jeudi, 22. mars 2007 10:51
À : John Smith
Objet : Re: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)

You simply want to make money on me and don't care about my profit. In this case it's difficult to make business. Please try to understand my position.

----- Original Message -----
From: «John Smith» <xx@y.z>
To: "'Info'" <info@mykmann.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 11:56 PM
Subject: RE: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)


Hi,

You don't seem very confident in your reselling ability.

You said you spent about $250 on your opt-in list. What are $250 compared to $6000 you can win??? I don't understand your business policy.

You said to me you didn't want to buy my domain because it was not appraised. Now it is! So what's the problem?

Our cooperation will make us good money if you buy me this domain now. Else, why would you look for a potential buyer if you've nothing to win on this? I mean... I'm the only one who invested money on hepvs.com : I bought it, I appraised it for you. You didn't spend a cent yet...

Greets,

John Smith


-----Message d'origine-----
De : Info [mailto:info@mykmann.com]
Envoyé : mercredi, 21. mars 2007 15:58
À : John Smith
Objet : Re: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)

At this time I've spent money on the opt-in list. My goal is to avoid additional risks. Please understand my position: You don't need to invest money in promotion so it will be fair to give me some time. After I find a client I'll buy your name myself. I hope our cooperation will make us good money. Thank you for understanding.
----- Original Message -----
From: «John Smith» <xx@y.z>
To: "'Info'" <info@mykmann.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)


Hi,

Well... You never told me you'll wait to have a buyer before buying me the domain.

"Domain name is an investment for me. In other words I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market."

When you say "later" it means, for me, that you buy me the domain and then
*later* you'll find a buyer. That's why it's important that I appraised my domain. Otherwise it wouldn't have sense if you need to find a buyer first...

Anyway, I can understand that you want to optimize your risk and, therefore, I agree to lower the price from $5,500 to $4,500. This is my lowest offer though; I can't go lower. You could make more than 30% profit out of my domain by reselling it at the appraisal price.

John Smith

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Info [mailto:info@mykmann.com]
Envoyé : mardi, 20. mars 2007 19:37
À : John Smith
Objet : Re: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)

Now I've got the results. My results ($4000-$6000) are close to the results from your appraiser so I have to accept them. To be honest I expected a lower estimation.

Anyway, I see from different independent sources including yours that your name has a good potential and offer you the following:

I set the starting price based on our appraisals. Then I find a buyer and pay you the appraised value - 15% and earn the difference. I wrote about reselling in my first email.

15% discount of the appraised value is important for me to be sure in profit.

I also don't claim exclusive rights to sell your domain. You can try to sell your domains too.

I've already bought opt-in lists from
http://www.1-bulk-email-mailing-address-list.com site to promote your domains.

I invested about $250 in these lists. Unfortunately, I cannot list your names with brokers and auctions because I'm not the owner. You can list your names with brokers. I think www.Amazon.com and www.eBay.com are good sites to start with.

May I use your appraisal in my promotional emails?

Deal ?

P.S.
If you have other names for sale, I can try to find buyers for all of them.
----- Original Message -----
From: «John Smith» <xx@y.z>
To: "'Info'" <info@mykmann.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 5:46 PM
Subject: RE: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)


Hi,

So... How does it look like? Have you received your appraisal?

Regards,

John Smith

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Info [mailto:info@mykmann.com]
Envoyé : vendredi, 16. mars 2007 19:52
À : Administration
Objet : Re: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)

Thank you. Looks reasonable enough and I accept it.

I also paid for appraisal from another source myself. The average of two appraisals (yours and mine) will give us a fair price.

As soon as the results come at my email address I will let you know the figure but I will not send this certificate to you, because you may use this appraisal to promote your name or sell it to somebody else. The results must come within one business day.

Looking forward to do business with you.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Administration" <admin@hepvs.com>
To: "'Info'" <info@mykmann.com>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:31 PM
Subject: RE: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)


Hello,

As promised, here is the appraisal :
http://www.securenamesale.com/appraisal.asp?Domain=hepvs.com

I wasn't bad with my $6,500 estimation. I'll sell it to you for $5,500. Are you still interested? If so, tell me please what I should do next.

Regards,

John Smith

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Info [mailto:info@mykmann.com]
Envoyé : vendredi, 16. mars 2007 09:58
À : Administration
Objet : Re: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)

It's a big risk for me to proceed without appraisal.

Sorry, but I don't understand your position.

You can always use this appraisal to promote your name or sell it to somebody else. But what will I do with the appraisal certificate if you decide to sell your name to another buyer?

I'm still interested in your domain.

Hope you'll change your position. I don't want to risk and will not proceed without appraisal. I never change this rule because it helps me to make good investment.

Thank you for understanding. I'm looking forward to do business with you.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Administration" <admin@hepvs.com>
To: "'Info'" <info@mykmann.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:51 PM
Subject: RE: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)


Alright.

Well... And how can I be sure that this certificate is worth the price?

Regards,

John Smith

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Info [mailto:info@mykmann.com]
Envoyé : jeudi, 15. mars 2007 21:34
À : Administration
Objet : Re: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)

Usually, people who are selling names or web sites, provide buyers with appraisals. This is a common practice and I'm not going to change this rule because it's the best way to protect an investment.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Administration" <admin@hepvs.com>
To: "'Info'" <info@mykmann.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 1:41 PM
Subject: RE: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)


Hi,

I can sell domain only, it's ok.

I don't own an appraisal certificate. I followed the discussion on forums and it'd cost me $69 to certificate on securenamesale.com. If you advance me this amount I'll make a certificate.

Regards,

John Smith


-----Message d'origine-----
De : Info [mailto:info@mykmann.com]
Envoyé : jeudi, 15. mars 2007 11:27
À : Administration
Objet : Re: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)


6,500 USD. Ok.

Do you sell the name only without web site? I'm interested in the name so web site is not so important.

Do you have an appraisal certificate for your domain name?

Domain name is an investment for me. In other words I'm going to sell your name later and make a profit. If I overpay I won't be able to make a profit in the future. It's very important for you and me to know the current market

value of your domain.

Of course, we must be sure that you are engaging a reputable appraisal company. I heard many appraisal companies often made inaccurate appraisals.
I will only accept appraisals from independent sources I trust. To avoid mistakes I asked domain experts about reputable appraisal companies in a forum http://domaintalk.ourplace.com/Archive/295713.htm

Just check this posting.

If the appraisal comes higher you can adjust your asking price accordingly.
I also hope you can give me 10% - 15% discount of the appraised value.

After I get an appraisal from you we'll continue our negotiations.

How do you prefer to get paid: www.escrow.com, www.PayPal.com check or wire?

Hope we can come to an agreement fast.

Looking forward to your reply.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Administration" <admin@hepvs.com>
To: "'Info'" <info@mykmann.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:57 PM
Subject: RE: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)


Hello,

The lowest price I accept is $6,500 USD.

Looking forward to receive your offer.

Regards,

John Smith

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Info [mailto:info@mykmann.com]
Envoyé : mercredi, 14. mars 2007 16:40
À : Administration
Objet : Re: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)

I need to know the lowest price you can accept: $5,000 or even $10,000 USD?

Please let me know as soon as possible.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Administration" <admin@hepvs.com>
To: "'Mykmann Consulting'" <info@mykmann.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 12:16 PM
Subject: RE: hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)


Hello,

What price would be the right one for your company?

And here is the list of the domains I own :

...

Regards,

John Smith

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Mykmann Consulting [mailto:info@mykmann.com] Envoyé : mercredi, 14. mars 2007 09:49 À : admin@hepvs.com Objet : hepvs.com (sent 03/14/07)


Hello,

What is the price you can accept for your domain?

Our company designs databases in Visual C++ and MS SQL Server. Domain aftermarket for us is just an investing strategy.

If you own other domain names for sale please email us your list for consideration.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,

John Mykmann
President
Mykmann Consulting

[-GWS-]

I get those from several different people. They all act as if your domain is worth way more than it actually is and after a few communications they recommend their "preferred" appraisal company. Usually they own that company too. I have not ever completed a transaction with them but most likely after you pay their appraisal fee they will not be interested in the name anymore because "they have tied up all their funds in other names at the moment".

Watch out for anyone that comes to you directly to buy a name.

One way I can tell if it is someone taking data from the whois info, I use a seperate email address for all my whois info and only that. The email for buying and selling domains is completely different that way I know where they came from.

[rodash]

Sounds like you could get boned with this guy.





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[djmuirhead]

Hello

I have also received the same email from this guy with the exact same wording, asking for an appraisal. Because he offered me so much money for my domain ($10,000+) I was suspicious from the start. I did get an apprisal done cost me $70, the only positive is that this is something I can use myself. I guess he is a con artist who owns apraisal companies and gets paid that way- the wording of his email is exactly the same in all cases no matter what the domain name is. When I got my valuation back (more than $30,000) he also claimed he expected a lower valuation as he did with all of you.

He says he is now looking for a buyer for my domain name, I doubt it, the best thing to do is list your domain anywhere and try and sell it yourself. Use you valuation certificate in your favour.


But if it is a $70 con if we can all list any interaction with this guy in the future it will stop him doing it again.

My domain was also listed at Sedo for only 3 days